Curse

T N Player · Jan 11, 2007, 03:52 AM // 03:52

Right now the real only reason why some people have monk as there second profession is to have a reusable rez like rebirth. A team will not let me in there team without a reusable rez. So why can't every profession a reusable rez.

Ranger- Melandru Gift (Expertise)

Rez ally with 25%-50% health and 25%-50% Energy and moves 25% faster for 5 seconds

10 Energy
8 Second Casting Time
5 Second Recharge

Necro- Blood Rez (Soul Reaping)

Sacrifice 15% health which goes to dead ally and ally is give 5 extra health for each point in soul reaping

10 Energy
9 Second Casting Time
10 Second Recharge Time

Warrior- Fallen ally (Strength)

Rez ally with 30%-40% health and 0 Energy and has 20 more armor or 5 seconds

5 Energy
10 Casting Time
10 Second Recharge

Elementalist- Transfor Life Energy (Energy Storage)

Rez ally with 25% health and 10%-20% of your current energy with an extra 2 pip of energy

15 Energy
8 Second Casting Time
10 Second Recharge

Mesmer- Fast Rez (Fast Casting)

Rez ally with 25% health and 20% energy and ally's skills recharge 30% faster for 5 seconds

10 Energy
10 Second Casting Time
10 Recharge Time

Assassin- Shadow Rez (Shadow Arts)

Ally is rez for 20% health and 20% energy and can not me a target of an attack or hex for 1-5 seconds

10 Energy
8 Second Casting Time
10 Second Recharge

Dervish- God's Gift (Mysticism)

Rez ally with 25% health and 20% energy and can not be target of a hex for 3 seconds

10 Energy
8 second Casting Time
10 Second Recharge Time

Note: Monks, Paragons and Ritualists already have a reusble rez

Maybe this will put the end to people having to use a monk as second profession.

Hope you like my idea.

Dimitri_Stucoff · Jan 11, 2007, 04:56 AM // 04:56

I like this idea, however, I think that their is a reason for resses only being allocated to certain classes it is all about balancing. Also most secondary monk resses are better then these so they are a bit redundent.... but it all depends on how bad you need a different secondary.

Winterclaw · Jan 11, 2007, 05:06 AM // 05:06

/notsigned for all but dervishes

It's a nice idea, but there are already 3 secondaries which have a justified res spell (because they can heal others directly). The only reason I'm /signing for dervs is because I think they do have 1-2 wind prayer skills which can heal others, so they probably deserve a poopie res.

EDIT: For clarity, I don't think most of the professions deserve a res because they aren't healing/res classes. IMO healing others should be a requirement before you can res them. Healing Siggy aside.

NinjaKai · Jan 11, 2007, 05:17 AM // 05:17

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Originally Posted by Winterclaw

/notsigned for all but dervishes

It's a nice idea, but there are already 3 secondaries which have a justified res spell (because they can heal others directly). The only reason I'm /signing for dervs is because I think they do have 1-2 wind prayer skills which can heal others, so they probably deserve a poopie res.

EDIT: For clarity, I don't think most of the professions deserve a res because they aren't healing/res classes. IMO healing others should be a requirement before you can res them. Healing Siggy aside.

Adding to what you said. Paragons, Monks and Ritualists are primarily support classes. Hence why they have a res skill and others don't. I mean when was the last time you saw a warrior stand in back with a wand casting heal party and aegis.

Winterclaw · Jan 11, 2007, 05:20 AM // 05:20

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Originally Posted by NinjaKai

I mean when was the last time you saw a warrior stand in back with a wand casting heal party and aegis.

Are we talking about RA or not?

legion_rat · Jan 11, 2007, 09:46 AM // 09:46

was on the thristy river missions and the w/mo was healing the mo/w was fighting....they were from the same guild.

yes we all died.

~the rat~

Stupid Shizno · Jan 11, 2007, 09:56 AM // 09:56

/not signed

every proff has a rez that is rechargable from a moral boost, just stop dying so much

Velvet Wing · Jan 11, 2007, 10:18 AM // 10:18

/not signed..

Sorry, I like the idea, but with the sunspear res signet out or normal res signet we get spoiled enough

Just don't die :P

Only support classes should have a rez skill (since they support others), just to keep things balanced

zelira · Jan 11, 2007, 03:35 PM // 15:35

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Originally Posted by NinjaKai

I mean when was the last time you saw a warrior stand in back with a wand casting heal party and aegis.

I'm sorry, I promise to never do that again. I blame it one the 15^50 inscription.

Seriously, /not signed.

I quite enjoy watching the warrior rebirth a caster while tanking 5 enemies. Rez signets get recharged by a moral boost. Go kill a boss.

Redfeather1975 · Jan 11, 2007, 03:48 PM // 15:48

I don't play a necromancer, but a rez that recharges whenever they hex a target with it first and that target dies would be nice.
Soul Ripper
5e, 1s cast, 10 second recast
Hex Target with Soul Ripper for x seconds. If target dies while hexed, Soul Ripper becomes a Soul Infusion.
Soul Infusion
10e, 4s cast, 10 second recast
Sacrifice 15% health and target is ressurected with that health and 15% energy and Soul Infusion reverts back to Soul Ripper.

lightblade · Jan 11, 2007, 06:11 PM // 18:11

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Originally Posted by Stupid Shizno

..., just stop dying so much

QFT.

Bring self heal, you'll find 1 henchmen monk is enough for any mission.

sykoone · Jan 11, 2007, 09:22 PM // 21:22

The only other class that would make sense to have a rez skill is a necromancer. Considering that they raise the dead anyway, it would fit perfectly.

Animate Fallen Ally (Enchantment)
5 Energy, 5 cast, 20 recharge -1 energy regen
Resurrect target dead ally. While under this enchantment, target is considered a minion, and suffers minion health degen. Deaths incurred while under the effects of this enchantment do not incur a death penalty. Target dies if this enchantment is removed. This enchantment ends if target dies.

Keithark · Jan 11, 2007, 09:36 PM // 21:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by sykoone

The only other class that would make sense to have a rez skill is a necromancer. Considering that they raise the dead anyway, it would fit perfectly.

Animate Fallen Ally (Enchantment)
5 Energy, 5 cast, 20 recharge -1 energy regen
Resurrect target dead ally. While under this enchantment, target is considered a minion, and suffers minion health degen. Deaths incurred while under the effects of this enchantment do not incur a death penalty. Target dies if this enchantment is removed. This enchantment ends if target dies.

Think this would be great..but overpowered..2 necro's in every group doing nothing but rez the warriors and they would only have -15 dp since no dp from deaths under enchant...plus a monk to stand in back and heal the necro when he uses BoTM to keep tanks up a little longer (assuming since you said they were like minnions you meant BoTM would work on them as well) Also..would Jagged Bones work on them? Interesting possibilities with this one though

Redfeather1975 · Jan 12, 2007, 12:00 AM // 00:00

I actually like that animate fallen ally!
That's a neat idea giving them health degen like the minions.

AuraofMana · Jan 12, 2007, 12:52 AM // 00:52

Except a Necro controls death, and you already got minions.
This idea is crap, and I mean total crap.
There is a reason why there are Rez only for certain classes because they match their themes.
It's like saying let's give everyone some sort of melee weapon skills because Sin, War, and Derv have it.

gameshoes3003 · Jan 12, 2007, 02:39 AM // 02:39

/notsigned
Game needs to have a challenge too.

draxynnic · Jan 12, 2007, 03:01 AM // 03:01

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Originally Posted by AuraofMana

Except a Necro controls death, and you already got minions.
This idea is crap, and I mean total crap.

Exactly. A necromancer controls death, and already has minions. Think of the raise-as-a-minion skill as the bridge between regular minion-creation and whatever monster-only, not-seen-directly-in-play skill creates the permanent undead with professions we fight in Kryta and the Desolation. This skill in question isn't really bringing the target back from the dead the way a Monk, Dervish or Paragon would - it's just an animation spell that traps the original soul to use the body rather than being directly controlled by the Necromancer.

Balancewise, bringing party members back this way has plenty of disadvantages. As the player brought back is counted as a minion, they should count towards the Necro's minion limit (which could be dangerous if the Necro is a MM). They'll also suffer degen, and double damage from holy damage. And if it's treated as an enchantment, it'll also have the problem of Vengeance and Unyielding Aura that if the enchantment isn't covered, whoever is raised using the skill can be knocked back down again with a single enchantment-strip.

Essentially, we're looking at a temporary fix like Vengeance or Unyielding Aura where you generally want to stop and let them die so you can raise them properly rather than keep them that way. Which seems, to me, very well aligned with the concept of the Necromancer.

As for other classes, I'd have to disagree. Possibly the Dervish, but on the whole, raising the dead should be for characters who have some conceptual connection to the dead, a healing focus, or both. Personally, I find even the Paragon's signet a little weird.

And if people are repeatedly knocking you back for not having a hard res - they're idiots. Used with care, a ressig or, even better, a Sunspear Rebirth Signet can be a better option for raising in the middle of a hard fight than the hard res: they bring the target back in better condition than most hard resses, and they're faster to use.

AuraofMana · Jan 12, 2007, 04:27 AM // 04:27

There is a skill call Vengeance, use it.
And honestly, Necromancers (in ancient history) raises the dead (like literally, back to life).
Necromancers in the game raises the FLESH back to life, which means it will not obtain the skills the "person raised" had when the person was alive.
So it doesn't make any sense that Nec would have something like that.
Plus, a profession that uses dark magic shouldn't have anyway to bring his ally back to life. It just doesn't flow with the theme.
It's like asking Rangers to kill pets.

Sister Brianne · Jan 12, 2007, 04:43 AM // 04:43

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Originally Posted by Stupid Shizno

/not signed

every proff has a rez that is rechargable from a moral boost, just stop dying so much

Ha

I agree

Let the monks keep their jobs...in PvE at least.

Im thinking that Hard Rez's on all players might be way unballanced in PvP (GvG)

Gregslot · Jan 12, 2007, 04:58 AM // 04:58

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Originally Posted by lightblade

QFT.

Bring self heal, you'll find 1 henchmen monk is enough for any mission.

Henchies do not have self heal (at least not decent).

I say NO to this. Its the same thing if all classes had some decent knockdown skill, like Gale of example. Thats what that class do, and no other can do exactly like that.
Monks, Ritualists and Paragons have reviving skills because they are classes that protect, heal, interact positively with their allies, they have at least one atributte that is based on saving someone's life.
You see, elementalists, for example, do not have enchantments that do such thing.